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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5555</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That premise is completely irrelevant to this discussion, as 1) &quot;Hispanic&quot; is not a race, and 2) La Raza does help people who are not Hispanic, as you would know if you weren&#039;t allergic to researching issues before making allegations. But their focus is on improving the Hispanic community, and there is not a single thing wrong or racist about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That premise is completely irrelevant to this discussion, as 1) &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; is not a race, and 2) La Raza does help people who are not Hispanic, as you would know if you weren&#8217;t allergic to researching issues before making allegations. But their focus is on improving the Hispanic community, and there is not a single thing wrong or racist about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5552</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any organization who aims to help only a single race is by definition racist.

If you can&#039;t agree with that simple premise, then yeah, this conversation is pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any organization who aims to help only a single race is by definition racist.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t agree with that simple premise, then yeah, this conversation is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5551</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren’t what I said they are.&quot;

For the third time, it&#039;s more than just their website, it&#039;s a basic understanding of the Spanish language and the context. 

The McCain (and Rove) part might be a little on the weak side, but it still begs the question of why these two men would associate with this organization, and vice versa, if the organization were actually racist against whites and other non-Hispanics. 

But you see, I don&#039;t really have the need for a strong defense at this point, because you have offered absolutely zero evidence that La Raza is what you said it is, even after being explicitly asked what exactly La Raza is doing that you see as racist. When you make a claim like &quot;So-and-so is racist,&quot; the burden of proof lies on you. If you spent as much time trying to find actual evidence for your claims rather than coming up with creative ways to avoid the question, you might actually have a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren’t what I said they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the third time, it&#8217;s more than just their website, it&#8217;s a basic understanding of the Spanish language and the context. </p>
<p>The McCain (and Rove) part might be a little on the weak side, but it still begs the question of why these two men would associate with this organization, and vice versa, if the organization were actually racist against whites and other non-Hispanics. </p>
<p>But you see, I don&#8217;t really have the need for a strong defense at this point, because you have offered absolutely zero evidence that La Raza is what you said it is, even after being explicitly asked what exactly La Raza is doing that you see as racist. When you make a claim like &#8220;So-and-so is racist,&#8221; the burden of proof lies on you. If you spent as much time trying to find actual evidence for your claims rather than coming up with creative ways to avoid the question, you might actually have a case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5550</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren&#039;t what I said they are.

I&#039;m not surprised you can&#039;t understand the disconnect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren&#8217;t what I said they are.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised you can&#8217;t understand the disconnect.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5549</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and? Your earlier arguments were about their name and motto. Now you&#039;re jumping to a totally different argument, claiming that La Raza in action is much different from the &quot;public front&quot; that La Raza puts on. You haven&#039;t backed up either of these two arguments. Since I assume you&#039;ve given up on the first one, I&#039;ll ask you about the second: what, exactly, is La Raza doing that differs from it&#039;s public front?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and? Your earlier arguments were about their name and motto. Now you&#8217;re jumping to a totally different argument, claiming that La Raza in action is much different from the &#8220;public front&#8221; that La Raza puts on. You haven&#8217;t backed up either of these two arguments. Since I assume you&#8217;ve given up on the first one, I&#8217;ll ask you about the second: what, exactly, is La Raza doing that differs from it&#8217;s public front?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5548</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know as well as I do that the public front that an organization puts on can (and usually is) a lot different than what the organization actually does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know as well as I do that the public front that an organization puts on can (and usually is) a lot different than what the organization actually does.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5547</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can a suggestion that you become familiar with what a Spanish term actually means, rather than taking what you&#039;ve heard at face value, possibly be considered &quot;propaganda?&quot; Yes, my suggestion included looking at the definition of the word provided by the organization itself--which I think is valid, but I can see why a paranoid reactionary would not--but that is not the only place you can find the meaning of the phrase &quot;La Raza.&quot; Again, Google is your friend. 

I also informed you about McCain and Rove&#039;s participation with the group. Which doesn&#039;t mean that La Raza is automatically exempt from charges of racism, but if they are supposedly a racist organization on par with the NSM, then they must really suck at this whole bigotry game. When was the last time the NSM invited Colin Powell to any of their meetings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a suggestion that you become familiar with what a Spanish term actually means, rather than taking what you&#8217;ve heard at face value, possibly be considered &#8220;propaganda?&#8221; Yes, my suggestion included looking at the definition of the word provided by the organization itself&#8211;which I think is valid, but I can see why a paranoid reactionary would not&#8211;but that is not the only place you can find the meaning of the phrase &#8220;La Raza.&#8221; Again, Google is your friend. </p>
<p>I also informed you about McCain and Rove&#8217;s participation with the group. Which doesn&#8217;t mean that La Raza is automatically exempt from charges of racism, but if they are supposedly a racist organization on par with the NSM, then they must really suck at this whole bigotry game. When was the last time the NSM invited Colin Powell to any of their meetings?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5546</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your defense is more propaganda, you&#039;re going to have a hard time making a case buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your defense is more propaganda, you&#8217;re going to have a hard time making a case buddy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5545</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even if your translation were correct, which it isn&#039;t, you&#039;d still have to look at the group&#039;s actions, not just its words. I mean, seriously, when John McCain and Karl Rove are attending your meetings, I&#039;m pretty sure that makes you the worst leftist Mexican supremacist group EVER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even if your translation were correct, which it isn&#8217;t, you&#8217;d still have to look at the group&#8217;s actions, not just its words. I mean, seriously, when John McCain and Karl Rove are attending your meetings, I&#8217;m pretty sure that makes you the worst leftist Mexican supremacist group EVER.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/07/rally_again_illegal_immigration_coming_up.html/comment-page-1#comment-5544</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Yet again, you are showing your complete unwillingness to do five minutes of research on Google before putting your foot in your mouth. It isn&#039;t surprising, given that your side has made this claim over and over and over again, even though it&#039;s been debunked a thousand times. I won&#039;t do your work for you again, but I will suggest you start by reading the official website of NCLR for an explanation of what &quot;La Raza&quot; actually means. I&#039;ll also suggest that you stop taking conservatives who don&#039;t speak a word of Spanish as experts in the field of Spanish language and culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Yet again, you are showing your complete unwillingness to do five minutes of research on Google before putting your foot in your mouth. It isn&#8217;t surprising, given that your side has made this claim over and over and over again, even though it&#8217;s been debunked a thousand times. I won&#8217;t do your work for you again, but I will suggest you start by reading the official website of NCLR for an explanation of what &#8220;La Raza&#8221; actually means. I&#8217;ll also suggest that you stop taking conservatives who don&#8217;t speak a word of Spanish as experts in the field of Spanish language and culture.</p>
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