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Rally Again Illegal Immigration Coming Up

July 1st, 2009 by Kevin

Political activism at it\’s best is honest grassroots efforts by people finally fed up with lying politicians who decide to do something about an issue rather than just complain.  We have a great example of that coming up here in Minnesota on the immigration issue.

On Saturday, July 11th at 2 PM, there will be a rally held at the Mower County Courthouse.  It\’s located at 201 First Street NE, Austin, MN.  This will be the second rally in a month at that location.

Basically Austin is a town that the residents feel has been devastated by illegal immigration, and a lone resident, Sam Johnson, finally got fed up.  He organized the first rally despite being up against professionally organized counter protests by the likes of La Raza, Centro Campesino and various Marxist organizations bussed in from the cities.

So Sam Johnson and his supporters need your help to rally the people necessary to stand against illegal immigration.  South Eastern Minnesota has become a battleground on this issue and the public needs to know that they don\’t have to just stand by and let their towns be overrun as a result of apathy from both Washington DC and St. Paul.

You can contact Sam Johnson by email : nsmsoutheastmn -at- gmail -dot- com

[Crossposted at True North]

NOTE (10/27/09) : It has since been pointed out to me that Sam Johnson is, to put it lightly, a Neo-Nazi.  Let me make it clear I do not endorse such a hate filled ideology and wish to express no endorsement of any such views.

At the time I thought Sam Johnson was merely a small time illegal immigration activist, mainly cause I\’ve never heard of him.  I\’m not of a mind to assume the worst motivations of someone plus googling a name like \”Sam Johnson\” seemed an act of futility at best.

Knowing what I know now, no I would not have posted this and his entire event would have been forgotten, if not actively shunned.


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26 Responses

  1. Chris Says:

    Are you unaware or just unconcerned that Sam Johnson is a proud and unapologetic neo-nazi?

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/10/27/hatred/

  2. Kevin Says:

    I was very unaware. Now that I am aware I’m actually very concerned as I’m not of a mind to promote so much as a picnic from someone that would embrace such a hate-filled ideology.

  3. Chris Says:

    Even though I disagree with almost everything you write on this website, I am at least glad to hear that you are not someone who would knowingly promote a white supremacist. Sorry if you have been misjudged as such by any who have read this article, but hopefully this will be help you learn to do a bit more research before making such mistakes.

  4. Kevin Says:

    I’m not inclined to assume the worst in people, so the thought that he was a Neo-Nazi never occurred.

    As I hold views in favor of border enforcement over illegal immigration for completely reasonable and defenseable reasons, I see no reason why others could not also hold the same views for the same reasons.

    Perhaps I’m naive in thinking that people can have viewpoints for completely harmless reasons.

  5. Chris Says:

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree that there are logical reasons to support border enforcement. But Sam Johnson’s Nazism is well-known. His e-mail address even begins with the abbreviation “NSM.” I don’t ask you to assume the worst, but I do ask you to do some journalistic work and look at other articles about the people you endorse, even if you don’t know that they have a rather public and nasty past. I can easily forgive this mistake, I’m just hoping you learn from it.

  6. Kevin Says:

    Well-known to you maybe, but not to me.

    Yeah, now I see that in his email. I didn’t know what NSM means and even now I’m not sure I’d necessarily recognize it if I saw it again. Plus given the varied and subtle references people are constantly putting in their emails it’s hard to automatically attribute that to Nazism.

    And I would like to point out that all those articles out there that demonstrate Sam Johnson’s Nazism were published AFTER I published mine.

    As near as I can tell his Nazism was not well known at the time I published mine. Plus none of the newspaper articles I read about the rally at the time gave ANY indication of his radical beliefs.

  7. Chris Says:

    OK, I see. But will you at least do a cursory check next time you promote an activist?

  8. Kevin Says:

    Sure,I typically do in fact. Although in this case Sam Johnson was far too common a name that it didn’t make sense.

    Plus it wouldn’t have done any good as anything that would have indicated his affiliation didn’t come out until several months after I posted it. In most cases only in the last week.

  9. Jim Says:

    Sounds like a lot of lame excuses Kevin. Minnesota has one of the finest school systems in the country. You certainly know how to read, therefore. If you on the right keep lying down with dogs and everyone points out that you have gotten up with fleas, it does no good to profess that you didn’t know that the dog had fleas. That is what you and the other like you-Michelle Bachmann-need to actually consider the CONSEQUENCES of what you say and write BEFORE you say or write them.
    Furthermore, a kinda sorta retraction/mea culpa isn’t enough. You need to take the entire post down and be MUCH more careful before you go endorsing the whack jobs that seem to gravitate to your positions.

  10. Kevin Says:

    Jim, I was tempted to take it down sure. But I don’t want to pretend to hide things and cover up a mistake that was made. Only liberal do that.

    I’d rather have it clear and open what was said, rather than try to hide anything.

  11. B-Rob Says:

    Oh, come on! You endorsed this rally. Many of the anti-immigrant folks are been less than opaque in hiding their hatred of immigrants (legal and illegal alike) — Tom Tancredo and Pat Buchanan come to mind quickly. And it is not as if you cons are above calling people “racist” — witness Sonia Sotomayor being called a racist, Obama too, and others on the right referring to La Raza as a racist organization. But you endorsed a rally IN MINNESOTA being organized by bona fide 100% white supremacist racist separatists FROM MINNESOTA . . . and we are supposed to believe you didn’t know who you were endorsing? Is that just incompetence or are you just lying?

  12. B-Rob Says:

    Here is a hint, conservatives: the next time you wonder why Black, Hispanic and Asian voting patterns treat the GOP as if it is a collection of Klansmen, or someone asks why a GOP meeting looks, demographically speaking, like a Klan rally, remember this . . . .

  13. B-Rob Says:

    And another thing, Kevin: I just checked the video and it seems to me that the counter-protesters, who did NOT show up spontaneously, knew who this guy was and what he was about. Hell, they even had a rhyming anti-Klan/Nazi chant worked out. So if they knew about him enough to show up in droves, then how come YOU didn’t know what he was about when you were promoting his rally?

    And that is where it breaks down, Kev. I remember during the election some of the flat out racist commentary at the Palin rallies and I did not hear ANYONE on the right condemning it. Same thing with the tea bagger rallies — flat out racist signs ignored by Fox News, John Boehner, etc. It was all accepted as the cost of “rallying the base.” So when you see that the GOP is getting whiter and older, with college educated Whites and minorities of any stripe totally rejecting the party, remember this, the tea bagger rallies and the GOPs response to the Palin rally b.s.

    And don’t try to change the subject to “The liberals blah blah blah”, either. If they promoted a rally by a known racist separatist, then they should get hung, too. Deal with your own problems.

  14. Kevin Says:

    B-Rob : La Raza IS a racist organization. What do you think La Raza stands for?? But you openly associate with them.

    I did not know about Sam Johnson’s ties. Not that I do, I openly disavow them and him.

    There’s a difference between us. You embrace racism that serves your goals. I reject it regardless of what it serves.

  15. Chris Says:

    Kevin,

    Trying to lift one’s race up towards equality is not “racist.” Trying to maintain one’s race’s superiority is.

    It’s a big difference, yet it’s one that so many people simply refuse to grasp.

  16. Kevin Says:

    Their motto is “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

    Yeah, that sounds like equality to me!

  17. Chris Says:

    Kevin,

    Yet again, you are showing your complete unwillingness to do five minutes of research on Google before putting your foot in your mouth. It isn’t surprising, given that your side has made this claim over and over and over again, even though it’s been debunked a thousand times. I won’t do your work for you again, but I will suggest you start by reading the official website of NCLR for an explanation of what “La Raza” actually means. I’ll also suggest that you stop taking conservatives who don’t speak a word of Spanish as experts in the field of Spanish language and culture.

  18. Chris Says:

    And even if your translation were correct, which it isn’t, you’d still have to look at the group’s actions, not just its words. I mean, seriously, when John McCain and Karl Rove are attending your meetings, I’m pretty sure that makes you the worst leftist Mexican supremacist group EVER.

  19. Kevin Says:

    If your defense is more propaganda, you’re going to have a hard time making a case buddy.

  20. Chris Says:

    How can a suggestion that you become familiar with what a Spanish term actually means, rather than taking what you’ve heard at face value, possibly be considered “propaganda?” Yes, my suggestion included looking at the definition of the word provided by the organization itself–which I think is valid, but I can see why a paranoid reactionary would not–but that is not the only place you can find the meaning of the phrase “La Raza.” Again, Google is your friend.

    I also informed you about McCain and Rove’s participation with the group. Which doesn’t mean that La Raza is automatically exempt from charges of racism, but if they are supposedly a racist organization on par with the NSM, then they must really suck at this whole bigotry game. When was the last time the NSM invited Colin Powell to any of their meetings?

  21. Kevin Says:

    You know as well as I do that the public front that an organization puts on can (and usually is) a lot different than what the organization actually does.

  22. Chris Says:

    Yes, and? Your earlier arguments were about their name and motto. Now you’re jumping to a totally different argument, claiming that La Raza in action is much different from the “public front” that La Raza puts on. You haven’t backed up either of these two arguments. Since I assume you’ve given up on the first one, I’ll ask you about the second: what, exactly, is La Raza doing that differs from it’s public front?

  23. Kevin Says:

    Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren’t what I said they are.

    I’m not surprised you can’t understand the disconnect.

  24. Chris Says:

    “Your defense against my argument is how they associate with McCain and their website saying they totally aren’t what I said they are.”

    For the third time, it’s more than just their website, it’s a basic understanding of the Spanish language and the context.

    The McCain (and Rove) part might be a little on the weak side, but it still begs the question of why these two men would associate with this organization, and vice versa, if the organization were actually racist against whites and other non-Hispanics.

    But you see, I don’t really have the need for a strong defense at this point, because you have offered absolutely zero evidence that La Raza is what you said it is, even after being explicitly asked what exactly La Raza is doing that you see as racist. When you make a claim like “So-and-so is racist,” the burden of proof lies on you. If you spent as much time trying to find actual evidence for your claims rather than coming up with creative ways to avoid the question, you might actually have a case.

  25. Kevin Says:

    Any organization who aims to help only a single race is by definition racist.

    If you can’t agree with that simple premise, then yeah, this conversation is pointless.

  26. Chris Says:

    That premise is completely irrelevant to this discussion, as 1) “Hispanic” is not a race, and 2) La Raza does help people who are not Hispanic, as you would know if you weren’t allergic to researching issues before making allegations. But their focus is on improving the Hispanic community, and there is not a single thing wrong or racist about that.