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		<title>By: Stoney</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/03/turning_the_market_against_itself.html/comment-page-1#comment-4756</link>
		<dc:creator>Stoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A disarmed society, with the antisocial still armed cause they don&#039;t obey the laws, is a deadly society.&quot; -- Stoney

Anyone want proof, look at the murder rate in DC under their weapons ban...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A disarmed society, with the antisocial still armed cause they don&#8217;t obey the laws, is a deadly society.&#8221; &#8212; Stoney</p>
<p>Anyone want proof, look at the murder rate in DC under their weapons ban&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/03/turning_the_market_against_itself.html/comment-page-1#comment-4749</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An armed society is a polite society.&quot;  -- Robert Heinlein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An armed society is a polite society.&#8221;  &#8212; Robert Heinlein</p>
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		<title>By: Stoney</title>
		<link>http://www.eckernet.com/2009/03/turning_the_market_against_itself.html/comment-page-1#comment-4747</link>
		<dc:creator>Stoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is simple, the pro-firearms people deal from facts, reality and experience.  The anti-firearm people deal from emotion, unrealistic ideas, and a lack of experience.  They get their ideas from TV and from propaganda.  

Why do they want to deny law abiding citizens the right to protect themselves... what part of &#039;When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.&#039;  It hasn&#039;t worked in any of the countries or states that have tried it.  It seems that the concept of a black market is totally foreign to them.  Laws haven&#039;t stopped drugs, haven&#039;t stopped illegal (as opposed to legal) firearms used in crime, drunk driving (and cars kill a LOT more people than firearms do).  They wear rose colored glasses and live in a make believe world where they think that they can reduce violence by removing any deterrent. Armed citizens prevent more violence and crime than police do.  Its fact.  Even the criminals say it... they are more afraid of the armed (concealed carry) citizen than they are of the police... because they can&#039;t tell who is and who isn&#039;t carrying and able to defend themselves.  Cops are obvious, concealed carry citizens aren&#039;t.  It works, it&#039;s proven to work... but the anti-firearms people can&#039;t see past their emotions to the reality of the value of concealed carry.

Stoney
{who believes that every honest and sane adult has the right to keep and bear arms, but doesn&#039;t believe that every honest and sane adult SHOULD keep and bear arms... only those who are able and willing and responsible enough to ensure that they are trained in the safe use of firearms should keep and bear them...  but all it takes is a few among the many to deter the bad guys.}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is simple, the pro-firearms people deal from facts, reality and experience.  The anti-firearm people deal from emotion, unrealistic ideas, and a lack of experience.  They get their ideas from TV and from propaganda.  </p>
<p>Why do they want to deny law abiding citizens the right to protect themselves&#8230; what part of &#8216;When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.&#8217;  It hasn&#8217;t worked in any of the countries or states that have tried it.  It seems that the concept of a black market is totally foreign to them.  Laws haven&#8217;t stopped drugs, haven&#8217;t stopped illegal (as opposed to legal) firearms used in crime, drunk driving (and cars kill a LOT more people than firearms do).  They wear rose colored glasses and live in a make believe world where they think that they can reduce violence by removing any deterrent. Armed citizens prevent more violence and crime than police do.  Its fact.  Even the criminals say it&#8230; they are more afraid of the armed (concealed carry) citizen than they are of the police&#8230; because they can&#8217;t tell who is and who isn&#8217;t carrying and able to defend themselves.  Cops are obvious, concealed carry citizens aren&#8217;t.  It works, it&#8217;s proven to work&#8230; but the anti-firearms people can&#8217;t see past their emotions to the reality of the value of concealed carry.</p>
<p>Stoney<br />
{who believes that every honest and sane adult has the right to keep and bear arms, but doesn&#8217;t believe that every honest and sane adult SHOULD keep and bear arms&#8230; only those who are able and willing and responsible enough to ensure that they are trained in the safe use of firearms should keep and bear them&#8230;  but all it takes is a few among the many to deter the bad guys.}</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In short, yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short, yes.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if I understand your answer to my question correctly, the answer is &quot;both&quot;?   It isn&#039;t a question of whether they are morons or just plain evil.  Obviously they are evil morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if I understand your answer to my question correctly, the answer is &#8220;both&#8221;?   It isn&#8217;t a question of whether they are morons or just plain evil.  Obviously they are evil morons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.

- George Washington

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.

- George Washington

Firearms grant power in that they represent the ability to resist evil of any sort.  Whether it be the common criminal or the tyranny of government.  Politicians like their citizens helpless, because they are easier to control through fear.  Firearms represent freedom from government control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.</p>
<p>- George Washington</p>
<p>The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference &#8211; they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.</p>
<p>- George Washington</p>
<p>Firearms grant power in that they represent the ability to resist evil of any sort.  Whether it be the common criminal or the tyranny of government.  Politicians like their citizens helpless, because they are easier to control through fear.  Firearms represent freedom from government control.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing out my obvious ignorance on the subject.  But unfortunately the people wanting to make these laws are even more ignorant than I am.  My basic question is as to their motivation.  Are they trying to protect criminals, or themselves?  Or is that redundant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing out my obvious ignorance on the subject.  But unfortunately the people wanting to make these laws are even more ignorant than I am.  My basic question is as to their motivation.  Are they trying to protect criminals, or themselves?  Or is that redundant?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah good luck being the homeowner trying to defend himself who has never practiced with his firearm at the range.

Even ammo needs for practice aside, one or two well placed rounds do not generally suffice.  Even shots to the vital organs take time to have a debilitating effect.  This concept will be familiar to any police officer, or even any hunter.

You keep firing until the threat is no longer a threat.  That advice is frequently misstated as &quot;shoot to kill&quot; which is inaccurate (and illegal).  And in a self-defense situation most of your shots are going to miss, even by a well-trained shooter, thanks to the effect stress, flight-or-fight, and adrenaline have on the body.  As evidence of this, please reference ANY police shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah good luck being the homeowner trying to defend himself who has never practiced with his firearm at the range.</p>
<p>Even ammo needs for practice aside, one or two well placed rounds do not generally suffice.  Even shots to the vital organs take time to have a debilitating effect.  This concept will be familiar to any police officer, or even any hunter.</p>
<p>You keep firing until the threat is no longer a threat.  That advice is frequently misstated as &#8220;shoot to kill&#8221; which is inaccurate (and illegal).  And in a self-defense situation most of your shots are going to miss, even by a well-trained shooter, thanks to the effect stress, flight-or-fight, and adrenaline have on the body.  As evidence of this, please reference ANY police shooting.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t understand, and maybe why this line of attack on the 2nd is likely to be successful.  How much ammo do I really need to defend myself?  One or two well-placed rounds should suffice, yes?  But this isn&#039;t about self-defense, is it?  The animosity towards the second amendment is by those who do not want it used as the ultimate guarantor of liberty, because that would require a LOT of ammo.   The question has to be what these anti-gun nuts are really afraid of, whether it is that you will defend your own life, or threaten their dictatorial rule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t understand, and maybe why this line of attack on the 2nd is likely to be successful.  How much ammo do I really need to defend myself?  One or two well-placed rounds should suffice, yes?  But this isn&#8217;t about self-defense, is it?  The animosity towards the second amendment is by those who do not want it used as the ultimate guarantor of liberty, because that would require a LOT of ammo.   The question has to be what these anti-gun nuts are really afraid of, whether it is that you will defend your own life, or threaten their dictatorial rule?</p>
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