Comments on: The Raid Is Good, But Is The Target Wrong? http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html Pissing you off and making you laugh since 2002 Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:55:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: J. Ewing http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-3612 J. Ewing Thu, 15 May 2008 15:21:48 +0000 http://www.eckernet.com/?p=2155#comment-3612 True, but very curious as to how that was done. If the students were working, the no-match would have caught that. If the kids were under 16 (or is it 18?) working full time, the nomatch would have caught that, too. What I want to know is how those SS numbers got to the illegals in the first place? Maybe those were the 20 cases of identity theft reported? And if there were more than ten who were not using student SSN's, that would have been grounds for prosecuting the employer; it wouldn't take 300. True, but very curious as to how that was done. If the students were working, the no-match would have caught that. If the kids were under 16 (or is it 18?) working full time, the nomatch would have caught that, too. What I want to know is how those SS numbers got to the illegals in the first place? Maybe those were the 20 cases of identity theft reported?

And if there were more than ten who were not using student SSN’s, that would have been grounds for prosecuting the employer; it wouldn’t take 300.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-3611 Kevin Wed, 14 May 2008 18:59:07 +0000 http://www.eckernet.com/?p=2155#comment-3611 Well see that's the problem. If they were working under the identity and ss number of students for that area, then a no-match letter never would have been sent out and it would have been valid according to the E-Verify system Well see that’s the problem. If they were working under the identity and ss number of students for that area, then a no-match letter never would have been sent out and it would have been valid according to the E-Verify system

]]> By: J. Ewing http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-3610 J. Ewing Wed, 14 May 2008 18:34:43 +0000 http://www.eckernet.com/?p=2155#comment-3610 Seems to me that management would have to prove that it did something with the no-match information, and that failure to do so would meet the standard of evidence required. But of course, I've always been more interested in justice than in law. The obvious solution is for more states to impose the Arizona solution, requiring employers to use the federal employment eligibility instant check system. I wonder if there is anybody supporting something like that in Minnesota? Seems to me that management would have to prove that it did something with the no-match information, and that failure to do so would meet the standard of evidence required. But of course, I’ve always been more interested in justice than in law.

The obvious solution is for more states to impose the Arizona solution, requiring employers to use the federal employment eligibility instant check system. I wonder if there is anybody supporting something like that in Minnesota?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-3609 Kevin Wed, 14 May 2008 15:52:40 +0000 http://www.eckernet.com/?p=2155#comment-3609 J. Ewing, Problem with that is that I've heard so far unconfirmed reports that the illegal aliens were working using the name and social security numbers of students in the local school. So technically they were valid so it's unlikely the employers would have known about it. However, one of ICE's informants did report that on at least one occasion four different workers were using the same name/ss combo and management just laughed it off though. However, unless they have more than hearsay it would be difficult to hold up in a court of law. Like I said standard of proof is higher. J. Ewing,

Problem with that is that I’ve heard so far unconfirmed reports that the illegal aliens were working using the name and social security numbers of students in the local school.

So technically they were valid so it’s unlikely the employers would have known about it.

However, one of ICE’s informants did report that on at least one occasion four different workers were using the same name/ss combo and management just laughed it off though.

However, unless they have more than hearsay it would be difficult to hold up in a court of law.

Like I said standard of proof is higher.

]]> By: J. Ewing http://www.eckernet.com/2008/05/the_raid_is_good_but_is_the_target_wrong.html/comment-page-1#comment-3608 J. Ewing Wed, 14 May 2008 15:47:48 +0000 http://www.eckernet.com/?p=2155#comment-3608 Seems to me we wouldn't have to look very far for the evidence. Every year, the Social Security administration sends "no-match" letters to every employer that has ten or more employees with invalid--stolen, in use elsewhere, or just made up-- SS numbers. These employers KNOW that those individuals are illegal. Not only that, the Feds know who these people are, where they work, and where they live! I know, this is a good start. So now let's get the other 9 million that we KNOW about. Seems to me we wouldn’t have to look very far for the evidence. Every year, the Social Security administration sends “no-match” letters to every employer that has ten or more employees with invalid–stolen, in use elsewhere, or just made up– SS numbers. These employers KNOW that those individuals are illegal. Not only that, the Feds know who these people are, where they work, and where they live!

I know, this is a good start. So now let’s get the other 9 million that we KNOW about.

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